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Gravity. It seems to be a pulling force...

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From: "pl@infinito.it" To: janos@bioch.szote.u-szeged.hu Subject: Pushing gravity Date sent: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:55

...there are many phenomena that I do not see as they can be explained by the pushing gravity, such as the following:
- the advance of periastron of the elliptical orbits
- the symmetry of tidal motions of matter with respect to the body center
- the gravitational deflection of light near a massive body (gravitational "lensing" effect), and so on.
Because the Newton's and general relativity's gravitational theories are certainly valid and proved by a big number of experiments and evidences...

Thank you for your thoughts,

...general relativity's gravitational theories are certainly valid ..

No, surely not valid, because any action on matter can act only some kind of other matter, radiation, particles bearing some impulse and so on. The space in not a matter, like the mathematical (geometrical) plane, line, sphere or a parabolic hyperboloid. Its not matters at all.
Relativity give a good description on the seemed, the apparent reality, mediated by light, which is not the true reality just a mockery.

...and proved by a big number of experiments and evidences...

Yes, proved, that was seemed by us with the aid of light photons. But we know that the objects are not there where we see them, because its going speedy, and/or there are under influence of strong gravitational gradient.
This question peaked around problem of time dilatation, because in other fields we cannot prove what happen in the true reality. And see miracle: it is no any experimental evidence, that is the time goes in other kind manner in relativistic conditions. Why? Because the Hafele Keating experiment is simply a fraud.

There is two another, quite shorter durations experiment with aeroplanes, when was taking back the clokcs to the surface.

No else.

Any other type of experiments, where the clocks was not returned to Earth surface, the time discrepancy can be shown during flight only, including mesons, cyclotrons and so on.

The rest is a GPS. But you heard about any GPS clock was taking back to surface (USNO) ever ?????

So genaral relativity is not validated, just we histerically believes that the speed of light is a maximal speed (why? because we never sees higher speed with the aid of light, which light has a light speed?), believes that the geometry can act on the matter, and believes that we neednt take back any GPS clock, because we can see the relativistic GPS time satisfactorily, during its circulatory travel.

- the advance of periastron of the elliptical orbits
- the symmetry of tidal motions of matter with respect to the body center

This two point is quite similar in a pulling or a pushing case. Its absolutely the same condition whether a force vector push or pull a point.

- the gravitational deflection of light near a massive body (gravitational "lensing" effect)

Pushing gravity offer a physical explanation, the cause is the DVAG gradient near bodies. Relativity gives not a physical interpretation, just geometrical, its not a real causal, just a misterious geometrical explanation.

The arguments against pushing gravity, like Poincare, is ridiculous, because we do not know the features of gravitons, so we cannot predict any of features of gravitational (gradient) space.

The root of the matter, pushing gravity serve a simple, physical, real explanation of real gravity in contrast to relativity which descript the semblance (which suitable for many purpose, but hide the reality, which has significance in cosmology, black holes etc)

Janos
 


From: "WM@hotmail.com" To: janos@bioch.szote.u-szeged.hu Subject: Gravity Date sent: Wed, 12 May 2004 01:21:30 +0000

Hi Janos!
I read your article about gravity. ...my question is why should gravity be regarded as a pulling or pushing force? Didn't Einstein prove that space-time itself is warped or curved by the presence of matter? Wouldn't that mean that there is really no force ... only bent space-time fabric ... like a wrinkle in a piece of cloth? Any object would then simply move along the curvature because there is nothing else it can do without external force being applied. This is how I imagine Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.
Regards, WM

Dear W,
thank you for your reflection, and yes nearly everybody thinks so, just a small trouble that Einstein (in 1916) bent the pure, empty mathematical vacuum-space, which would generate force (acceleration of bodies). In opposite case, if gravity-field fill up the space, only in this situation we could manipulate the "space", and could be a result of an APPARENTLY curved space. This apparent bending is a result, not the cause. If the vacuum space lacking gravity (= empty), it is laughing to bend the nothing...

What if empty space is not really empty. By this I mean that it is filled with the quantum field vacuum. ...The underlying quantum field has tremendous energy....It has been recently discovered that the quantum field is causing the universe to expand at an ever-increasing rate! Anti-gravity!
OK. And where is the difference between our opinions? I say that also, punctually. The vacuum space has tremendous energy. Just the name is not Anti-gravity. IT IS THE GRAVITY.
(Did you realized that you invented the AETHER right now?)

And after that, no singularity, no need inflation, Universe need not arise from nothing (from one mathematical point), because it should never collapse into one mathematical point, no reason for that. And no philosophy. Just a new cosmology. Simple. Understandable. Physical.

Only in case of pulling gravity, Universe should emerge from one point (from nothing), need a hypothesized inflation, shoud hypothesized anti gravity somewhere far far away, not here. Should hypothesized an absurd crooked gravity emitted, which goes far away, touching a body, and pull it back. Or bending the space. No. This is only the appearance. The cause is: the gravitational (quantum field [1926], zero point energy etc) energy field flows into the barionic matter, (atoms, planets, stars etc) heating them continually.
The best examples are the black holes. Gravity streams into black hole, and at the event horizon the light stopped, like a fish is swimming opposite the flow of river.

Every other things of matters flow with gravity field streaming into the black hole. Like a vacuum cleaner sucking the air. Around the vacuum cleaner do you think space is curved?

Regards, Janos

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